Please see the post of July 24, 2017. Please see the post of August 23, 2023.
The Brouwer Genealogy Database (BGD) website was first launched online in July, 2008, over six and a half years ago. Since that time it has been periodically updated with new additions and corrections, many of which were brought to my attention by users of the BGD. The input and corrections have been greatly appreciated. The site has also grown in size to over 500 pages.
My intention is to update the BGD again at the beginning of the new year (January 2015). However, because of its size, and the because of the fact that I no longer have the same amount of time to commit to updating it regularly, this upcoming update may well be the last. This of course creates the problem of how to handle corrections to the existing material on the BGD.
After some consideration, my preferred solution would be ask all of you who are generous enough to take the time to point out errors to me, to simply organize your correction and post to the Comments below. I will then use your explanation verbatim to create a post on this website under the label of "Corrections to the BGD."
I would ask, that in comments you do your best to back up your statements with evidence, either through links to locations on the web and/or with complete source citation (or citations) for the source you are using to support your correction. The Comments tool does not support links, so just type out or paste the URL for any online source that you are citing.
For corrections to the BGD: Please use the Comments section for the post to suggest your correction. For corrections to Brouwer Genealogy: Please see the Replacement Links Page for instructions on suggesting a correction.
Again, thanks to all of you who have provided input and important corrections in the past.
Update, May 2015: As of yet the January 2015 update of the BGD has not happened. I hope to have that update sometime in June.
Update, June 22, 2015: The Brouwer Genealogy Database has now been updated. Please see the post, on this website, of June 22, 2015, with regards of how future corrections are to be addressed.
Update, January 1, 2016 - Please do not e-mail me directly with corrections or questions. Instead use the Comments section for any corrections or inquiries. Either use the Comments section for the specific post that pertains to the subject of your correction or inquiry. Comments come to me for review prior to posting for any post that is more than one week old. This will cause a delay in the time it takes for your Comment to appear online. I will address comments, questions and inquiries as my time permits. PLEASE see the post of July 24, 2017.
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Hi, I have had a brickwall with my Edward W Thurston since I started genealogy over 30 years ago. The year you have as your Edward W Thurston s/o Ezra, here matches mine but as a genealogist, I need documentation and so far have found none. I know my Edward married in 1816. I can't seem to get on the google blog page and did message Chris on his page. Would love to be able to connect and knock my brickwall down...can e-mail me willmot51@yahoo.com
ReplyDeleteDebora, my only source for Edward W. Thurston (1791-1824) comes from an article published in the New York Genealogical and Biographical Record, vol. 102, no. 4 (Oct 1971), pp. 193-202, "The Identity of Two Mary Helmes," by Dudley W. Bennett, M.D., and Mrs. William R. White. Here it is stated that Edward is the son of Ezra Thurston and Prudence Helme, was born 24 Feb 1791 and died 6 Jun 1824. No marriage or spouse is mentioned. The authors cite as their source, a "Bible rec." but do not provide any further details on this record (no repository, etc.). Unfortunately, the source citing standards of the NYG&B RECORD in 1971 were not up to the same standards of today's RECORD. The full extent of my research on the family of Ezra and Prudence (Helme) Thurston ended here and it can be seen online at the Brouwer Genealogy Database website. The article does not delve into this family any further than simply listing the children of Ezra Thurston. At this time I have no plans to follow the family any further myself.
DeleteI would ask anyone else who has researched this family further, or knows more about Edward W. Thurston in particular, to contact Debora directly at the e-mail address she provided.
Hi Chris, I'm waiting for the documents from Indiana but have confirmed that the Edward W Thurston is indeed my Edward who died JUNE 1824 • Brookville, Franklin, Indiana. He married Rachel Bryant
Delete2 Jun 1816, Seneca County, New York. He had 2 daughter Mary E Thurston b 1822 Ohio (m John K Bryant) and Eliza Jane Thurston who was born Brookville, Franklin, Indiana either right before or after his death as she was born June 1824 ( m Franklin Whiting)Rachel returned to Seneca County, NY after Edward's death and raised her daughters there, she married 3 more times and was widowed from each, she died 1890 as Rachel DeMott...I can provide additional info if anyone is interested can be reached at my e-mail willmot51@yahoo.com
Chris,
ReplyDeleteI recently found 3 Brower family photographs. 2 images are of Robert D. Brower (1835-1914) and another of what appears to be a c1860 Brower Family photo in front of an 18th century home. Would you be interested in seeing these?
Yes, I'm sure there are descendants of Robert D. Brower out there who would be very much interested in seeing the photos. If you could either 1) place them online and send us a link, or 2) e-mail the digital images directly to me and I will be happy to place them online (ccbnf1404@gmail.com).
DeleteThanks you very much!
I do not believe Divertje Cornelis and Jan Aertsen Vanderbilt had a son Jacob ab. 1655.
ReplyDeleteThe record 1 May 1656 said: Jan Cornelis Buys and "the widow of Lubbert Gysbertsen" apply for license to tap as their houses were destroyed" Court minutes of schepens and burgomasters of NA 1656-1658 p. 93)
This makes it unlikely that Divertje had a son ab. 1655 from Jan Aertsen
also, if Divertje Cornelis was indeed first wife to Lubbert Gysbertszen van Blaricum, she was calculated born about 1600 and she would not have a child at age ab. 55.
Thanks Barbara, I believe you are correct here. The article "Astor American Ancestry," by Richard H. Greene (NYGBR 23[1892]:17) claims that Jacob was a son of Jan Aertsen Van der Bilt and his second wife "Dierber Cornelis." That Jan had a son named Jacob, and that he was likely born ca. 1655 isn't disputed (Jacob was assessed in 1676 at Midwout). However, as you mention it appears unlikely that Divertje was Jacob's mother. I'd note that Jacob did not name a daughter after Divertje, but did give a daughter the name, Antje. Jan Aertsen's first wife was Anneken Hendricks and it is more likely that Anneken was Jacob's mother. Indeed, a more recent article in the NYGBR (Vol. 144[2013]:254), "Jan Aertsen Vanderbilt, His Children and Grandchildren," by Frederick Doren Stone and Laura M. Stone, with Harry Macy, Jr., does place Jacob as a son of Jan Aertsen Vanderbilt and his first wife, Anneken Hendricks. Thanks for the correction.
DeleteChris,
ReplyDeleteTotally not related to the above post...my line is all scrambled...can you help?!? I thought I got myself back to Adam Brouwer, but now it seems a mess! It seems to be breaking down at benjamin Burroughs married to Mary Van Horn.
I'm good though Isaac DuBois m Elizabeth Burroughs. Then I have Elizabeth Burroughs parents as Benjamin Burroughs (1742-1803) and her mother as Mary Van Horn (1733-1786).
Mary's parents as Captain Cornelius Brouwer Van Horne (1695-1744) married to Hannah Seabrook (1706-1788).
Can you confirm any of these? Thanks!!!
Elissa, The will of Benjamin Burroughs, of Pittsgrove, Salem Co., NJ dated 22 June 1799 (proved 19 Feb 1807)mentions his daughter Elizabeth, wife of Isaac Dubois. It also mentions his wife, Mary [Calendar of NJ Wills, Administrations, etc., vol. 11, 1806-1809, p. 53]. So you can confirm that Elizabeth, the wife of Isaac Dubois, was a daughter of Benjamin Burroughs. However, the wife Mary named in the will was living in June 1799, while you have the date of death of Mary Van Horn as 1786. So, you have a problem to address there. Did Benjamin have a second wife named Mary? Or is your date of death for Mary incorrect?
DeleteEither way, the will still does not identify her as Mary Van Horn.
According to John E. Stillwell's Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, Early Settlers of New Jersey and Their Descendants, Vol. 3, p. 405, and Vol. 4, p. 233, Cornelius Van Horn and Hannah Seabrook had a daughter Mary born 12 April 1733. Our Van Horn Kindred, by Elsie O. Hallenbeck, p. 9 also lists Mary, b. 12 April 1733. Both sources mention a Bible record of Hannah Seabrook's for this info, but offer no other specifics regarding this source. Neither of the two gives a date of death for Mary, nor do they mention a husband or children for Mary. Hallenbeck states that Mary "died young." Although she does not give a explanation for this claim.
The will of Cornelius Van Horn, dated 24 Dec 1743 mentions his daughters Catherine and Elizabeth (both by his second wife Elizabeth Lawrence). He does not mention a daughter Mary by name, although he later mentions "three daughters." Therefore, Mary born in 1733, may well have been living in 1743 [Calender of New Jersey Wills, Administrations, Etc., Vol. 2, 1730-1750, p. 500].
The short answer is, based on all I know of Mary Van Horn, which is everything above, I cannot confirm that she was the wife of Benjamin Burroughs, or the mother of Elizabeth Burroughs. I also found no record of marriage for this couple in Documents Relating to the Colonial History of the State of New Jersey. Volume XXII. Marriage Records, 1665-1800.
All I can suggest is that you post an inquiry to the Dutch-Colonies-L mailing list at RootsWeb. Perhaps someone there knows more regarding Mary Van Horn. To subscribe to the list go to http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/misc/misc.html#Dutch-Colonies
Good luck.
Hi Chris,
ReplyDeleteThanks to your post on Nazareth Brouwer and subsequent communication, the ancestry of Andrew P. Lawson (1764-1823), the husband of Anna Brouwer (1766-1842) has been confirmed. James M. Downey found in DAR CCT files Andrew's gravesone inscription from the tiny Lounsbury Ground in Westerlo, Albany Co., NY. The inscription indicates he died 16 Jun 1823 at 59 years, 3 months, 11 days. The calculation yields a birthdate of 5 Mar 1764, exactly the date of birth of the eldest child of Pieter Andries Lassing & Catharina Dolsen, recorded at the baptism at Zion Lutheran Church, Loonenburg. The name of the child at the baptism was incorrectly written or transcribed as Anna Maria, a name which makes no sense for the first child of this couple.
Hi Chris,
ReplyDeleteNice job on the genealogy! I have information on the Nazareth Hill & Catherine Edwards line (as that is my lineage). If you would like details to add to your genealogy, I would be happy to share. To give you an idea where that is in the line of things... (I can give you dates and details if you need them to add to the tree, depends how far you want the information to spread on your branches!)
Best wishes!
Tracy McLellan, U.E.
Jane Brouwer & Thomas Benjamin Hill
son: Nazareth Hill, UEL & Catherine Edwards (11 children)
daughter: Ann Hill & Charles K. Minaker
daughter: Susan C. Minaker & Daniel S. Williams (5 children)
daughter: Mary Cecelia ANNIE Williams & John Andrew McLellan (4 children)
son: Joseph CARMEL McLellan & Annie Alma Morrison (4 children)
son: Carman Andrew McLellan & Mary Veronica McAlpine (14 children)
son: John Anthony McLellan & Elaine Ann Hicks (2 children)
daughter: Tracy Michelle McLellan (me)
son: Patrick John McLellan
Tracy, Unfortunately it is no longer practical for me to collect and assimilate individual lineages into the Brouwer Genealogy Database. However, just as you did, using the Comment field in any related post is certainly welcomed for those who wish to share their own lineages. And if you have you're own tree somewhere online, please feel free to add a link. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteChris, before my wife's (Joanne Howe Todisco) grandmother (Doris Mildred Brewer) died she had promised that she would visit Highgate Vt and visit the grave of Doris's sister Edna Irene Brewer. While there I was able to photograph the grave of Schuyler Brewer at the Highgate Center Cemetery. I posted them to find a grave, here is the link.
ReplyDeletehttp://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GSiman=1&GScid=1002508&GSfn=&GSln=Brewer
Tom Todisco
t.todisco@icloud.com
Hi. I came across the following in a message posted in 2000 to an Ancestry.com message board (http://boards.ancestry.ca/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=27&p=surnames.brower) 'This was taken out of the entry log of the port of New Netherlands; Disembarked on the 5th day of September 1642, Adam Van den Berkhoven of Cologne, Germany, on the ship the Romyn, Van den Berkhoven here in after will be known as Adam Brower.'
ReplyDeleteCan you comment on whether or not this is legitimate? Thanks
This claim is completely without merit, and completely false. Certainly one of the less credible claims I've ever seen. It is well known, and well documented that Adam Brouwer first went to Brazil with the WIC, and then came to New Netherland from Brazil in about 1644. He did not come to New Netherland directly from Cologne, Amsterdam or any other location in Europe.
ReplyDeleteYou say in the database:
ReplyDeleteJan Aertszen Middagh witnessed the baptism of Ariaantje Aersen , daughter of Aert Aersen and Elizabeth Andries, on 17 September 1699 at Old First Dutch Reformed Church, Breuckelen (Brooklyn), Kings Co., Long Island, New York, (sponsors Jan Aarzen, Jannetje Poulisse)
and reference: P. G. Jos van der Linde, Old First Dutch Reformed Church of Brooklyn, New York: First Book of Records, 1660-1752, New York Historical Manuscripts: Dutch (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1983), page 142. Ariaantje; parents: Aart Aarsen, Lijsbet. Hereinafter cited as OFDRC Brooklyn.
If you look at the image on ancestry.com (http://interactive.ancestry.com/6961/42037_2421401696_0511-00043)there is no Middagh there. You are repeating the Bergen mistake of mixing the descendants of "Jan Aersen of the ferry" with a Middagh of similar name. This citation does not belong under the Middaghs and should be placed where it belongs (under the Aersens, without attached Middagh, which is not there).
Con, Thanks for catching that. I would agree, Jan Aertszen Middagh was not the witness at the baptism of Aert Aersen's daughter Ariaantje. The witness was the child's paternal grandfather, Jan Aersen. The other witness, Jannetje Poulisse, was likely the child's maternal aunt, Jannetje Andries who had married Cornelis Powelse/Pauluszen in 1696.
ReplyDeleteThe marriage date of 18 May 1690 for Adam Brouwer (May 18, 1662) and Marretje Hendrickse cannot be correct. See their witnessing of baptisms in 1682 and 1684.
ReplyDeleteCon Childress (cchldrss@mindspring.com)
Con, the marriage date of 18 May 1690 is correct. Source: Voorhees, David William. Records of The Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Flatbush, Kings County, New York, Vol.1, 1677-1720. New York: Holland Society of New York, 1998, p.269. Adam Adamse (B)erkoven, j.m., met Marretie Hendricks, j.d., beijde woonachtigh tot Bruekelen" (both residing at Brooklyn).
DeleteThe problem is with the identification of Marretje Hendrickse as the sponsor. Both baptism records you mention record the female sponsor as Marrietie BROUWERS (not Hendrickse) and that person is more likely Adam's sister Marretje and not his later wife Marretje. Neither baptism record states or implies that the sponsors Adam and Marretje were married. In both cases they were siblings of the baptized child's mother, Fytie Brouwer.
Lymon Dean Brewer was my mother-in-law's father. He died November 16, 1942, and is buried in the Chariton, Iowa, cemetery. He married Olive Ina West February 21, 1913, and they had three children: Gerald Ardis, who died as an infant; Kenneth Maurice, born November 25, 1924 and died August 18, 2002; and Barbara Francis, who just celebrated her 90th birthday on January 5th. The National Archives and FindaGrave.com have links to their gravestones and obituaries.
ReplyDeleteHello. In your page for Alice Longstreet, the wife of Peter Wyckoff, son of Garret and Aeltje, you have recorded her death as 16 Jun 1809, from Wyckoff Family in America, 4th Edition. In a book titled "Early Dutch Settlers of Monmouth County, New Jersey" by George C. Beekman, 1901, appendix xiv, Tombstone Inscriptions at the Presbyterian Church Yard, Allentown, N.J., her death is recorded as June 16, 1820, aged 78 years, 5 months,, 3 days. I was able to download the book from archive.org. Cheers. ...Pete
ReplyDeleteHello. Daniel Remsen, b. 1665 you show as married to Jannetje (Unknown surname). In Annals of Newtown, by James Riker (1852) page 386, her name is reported to be Jane Ditmars. Cheers. ...Pete
ReplyDeleteSarah Remse (b.1670)- according to James Riker, Annals of Newtown (1852), pages 93 and 386, she was married to Marten Adriaense, son of Adriaen Reyersen and Annetje Schenck. ...Pete
ReplyDeleteHello again. Jan Vigne (1625-1689)son of Guleyn Vigne. In your page for him, you record his birth as say 1625, however in the page for his father you indicate Guleyn's son was born in 1614. In a book titled "Journal of a Voyage to New York and a Tour in Several of the American Colonies in 1679-1680" by Jaspar Dankers and Peter Sluyter, translated by Henry C. Murphy in 1867, and published by the Long Island Historical Society, page 114 the travellers speak of meeting Jean Vigne in 1679 when he was about 65 years of age, which would confirm his birth as 1614, apparently during the time Guleyn and his wife were stranded on Manhattan Island while a new ship was being built.
ReplyDeleteYes, Jasper Danckerts does mention Jean Vigne's age as 65 (in 1679)and it is suggested that he was born in NN in 1614 in the footnote on page 47 of the 1913 printing of The Journal of Jasper Danckaerts (ed. by Bartlett B. James and J. Franklin James). David Vernoy Bennett in "The First American Mrs. Rosecrans" suggests that Guleyn and his wife came to Manhattan Island as early as 1614, but I'm not sure have that has been confirmed. One would have to look around out there to see if more recent research has been done on this date. Guleyn Vigne likely came to New Netherland in 1624 aboard either De Eendracht or The Nieuw Nederland (George O. Zabriskie, "The Founding Families of New Netherland" in de Halve Maen vols. 46-47, and also Harry Macy, Jr., "375th Anniversary of the Eendracht and Nieuw Nederland," (NYG&B Newsletter, Winter 1999). So, it depends on which one one wants to go with. The footnote in Danckaert's Journal is not by Jasper Danckaert, but by the editor, and he cautions as to the accuracy of the earliest accounts of Europeans in New Netherland. We also have to remember that exaggerating ones age (especially as one got older) was rather common in bygone periods. The voyage of the De Eendracht and the Nieuw Nederland in 1624 is certain, and if we want to accept the claim that Jan Vigne was the first male of European parents born in New Netherland, it would follow that Jan was likely born in 1624 or 1625, if we believe that that is when Guleyn came to NN. This assumes that Guleyn and his wife were on either the Eendracht or the Nieuw Nederland, but is something that apparently is not certain either. I think to many it seems that 1624 is more likely than 1614. So, it can go either way, and it may not be able to find certainty here, but then again that is something that is rather common with the birth dates of many of the earliest settlers of New Netherland.
DeleteUnderstood. Thanks. I would add that in The Register of the Provincial Secretary Vol.1 translated by Arnold J.F. Van Laer, page 12, the footnote indicates the 1614 birth was the reason he was deemed to have been the first child of European parents born in New Netherland. But considering the time, it is doubtful we will ever find any further confirmation of the birth.
DeleteHello. Sarah Van Kleeck (1682-1713). You show her as a sponsor to the baptism of Petrus Palmentier on 31 Aug 1742, however I believe this must be Pieter's daughter Zara, since Sarah Van Kleeck had died about Aug 1713. Cheers
DeleteChris, I note that you have placed data about Henry Elkin who married Jane Burgum (a relative) and worked as a maquinista in Cuba. I wondered what your interest in this family was and whether you have any more information about them. Henry and Jane had a fascinating life in Cuba,, New England and then ultimately Brooklyn, New York.
ReplyDeleteDoug, the data you refer to is on the Ancestry.com database, "Adam Brouwer of Gowanus, L. I." I honestly do not have much of an interest in this couple per se. They are there because I use Ancestry.com as a tool to try and ferret out possible leads. Here I was rooting around for possible family connections for Marvel Elkins (d. 1829) who you will find in the Ancestry.com database, who is a father of Laura Elkins who in turn is the wife of Stephen Swain Fuller who is a descendant of Everardus Brouwer. When researching families as large as the Brouwers you find a lot of interrelations and multiple lines of connection. It's more of a web than a tree. Henry and Jane had a son named Manuel, and I was wondering if Marvel (an unusual name) was a confusion for Manuel. But apparently it is not. So, despite the fact that Henry Elkin and Jane Burgum are in the "Adam Brouwer" database, there is no connection, at least not one yet found, between them and the others in the database. They're there simply because it is just an efficient way to collect records and to see how relationships unfold. I do this a lot, and I've found some very unexpected connections with my own larger family database that includes much more than just the Brouwers.
DeleteIn the NYGBR Vol.41 Issue 2 Apr. 1910, "The Dutcher Family" by Walter Kenneth Griffin, he records another son of Niclaes Brouwer and Jennetje (Caljer) as Nicholas Brouwer, baptized in Brooklyn 16 Mar 1707, and who married Maria Duytser 18 June 1743, at Fishkill. He states that Maria Duytser was "probably" a daughter of David de Duytser and Elizabeth Davenport.
ReplyDeleteHeiltje/Heiltje/Heijltje, daughter of Elbert Elbertsen Stoothoff bao.12 Jun 1650 at New Amsterdam. In the NYGBR article titled "Origin of the Amerman and Terhune Families, Vol. 148, No.2 April 2017, by Harry Macy Jr. and Renee L. Dauven, pages 97-98, the author states that Heijltje, daughter of Albert Albertszen has been incorrectly attributed to Albert Albertszen (Terhune) and Greetje Dircks, and is actually the daughter of Elbert Elbertszen Stoothoff and Arlyje Cornelis Cool. You have this child recorded in both families and it would seem that they should be merged, as a Stoothoff daughter and not a Terhune. Cheers. ...Pete
ReplyDeleteYes, the article you site, which I highly recommend for an updated account of the Amerman and Terhune ancestry, corrects the misidentification you mention. Thanks.
DeleteSir John Barlow (Anna Ward) John is the son of Sir Alexander Barlow and Mary Brereton. I have undertaken DNA testing and I am DNA connected to George Thomas and John Barlow, I am a descendant of Sir Alexander Barlow who married Dorothy Greasley.
ReplyDeleteRegards
Rod Piper
John Barlow (d.1674) and Anne Ward can be found on the Drake Genealogy Database website. Their daughter Anne Barlow married Samuel Drake of Fairfield, CT and Eastchester, NY in 1650.
DeleteMaria Roosevelt 1720-1755: you have her marriage to Abraham Duryea (1720-1786), son of Abraham Duryea and Elizabeth Polhemus. In the NYGBR article in Vol.118, No.4 Oct 1987 "The Roosevelt Family" by Timothy Field Beard and Henry B. Hoff, page199, the authors submit that her marriage was to Abraham Duryea (1724-1797) son of Jacob Duryea and Catrina Polhemus, and that his 2nd marriage was with Elizabeth Low. This marriage allows for the supposed date of Maria's death, and in Abraham's will of 12 Sep 1796, he states that Jacobus Roosevelt (deceased) was his brother-in-law. It would appear that the authors are correct. Cheers, Pete
ReplyDeleteYes, thank you. The 1987 Roosevelt piece in Vol. 118 of the NYGBR corrects earlier published accounts that were cited on the BGD.
DeleteHello again. Leffeert Pietersen (b. 1645). I just came across an article in NYGBR Vol. 104 No. 2 Apr 1973, pages 73-76, titled "Leffert Pieterse's Unrecorded Will", dated 31 Aug 1702, in which he lists his 12 children by his wife Abigail. I assume they are listed in order of birth, but that, of course, is unproven. This will does not appear in any of the public records, apparently. Cheers. ...Pete
ReplyDeleteThanks Peter. Of the twelve, four of Leffert's children have recorded baptisms, and they do fall in the order of which he lists them. In addition, son "Okee" (Ouke or Auke) is mentioned as eldest son. The order of the twelve, to quote, "...unto my loving Children by names Alke, Okee, Peter, Rachell, John, Jacobus, Isaack, Abram, Magdalina, Anke, Abigall and Leffert..." Baptisms are recorded for Rachel (1682), Jan (or John, 1684), Abram (1692), and Abigail (1698). One can very easily, using the order in which they are named, space them out before, between, and after the four with recorded baptisms. The eldest son, Ouke (Okee)was married in 1703, so if about age 25, which would have been common for that time, he may have been born about 1677, and perhaps Alke, assuming she is the eldest, was born about 1675. Leffert and his wife, Abigail Aukese (Van Nuys) were recorded as members of the Flatbush Church in 1677, so they were married by then. Thanks again.
DeleteHi Chris. Maria Ten Eyck (bap. 3 Apr 1680), daughter of Tobias Ten Eyck and Aeltje Duyking. Your file shows her married to Auke Haughwout 29 May 1703. In the NYGBR article by Henry Waterman George "The Ten Eyck Family in New York" Vol.63 No. 2 Apr 1932, page 156, the author has this Maria Ten Eyck married first 16 Jan 1704 to Jan Danemarke and secondly 12 May 1706 to Wessel Wessels. He shows Marritje Ten Eyck (bap. 29 May 1703) daughter of Coenraet Ten Eyck and Belitje Hercx married to Auke Lefferts Haughwout 29 May 1703. Do you have some information that alters Mr. George's account of the family?
ReplyDeletePeter, Frankly, I don't trust Waterman's account, partly because he seems to have based it on T. G. Bergen's earlier accounts of Kings Co. Settlers. My placement is based upon the fact that Maria (bapt. 3 Apr 1680) named her first daughter, Aelke (bapt. 22 Nov 1713 at Freehold-Middletown). As per custom this would be expected if she were the daughter of Aeltje Duycking and Tobias Ten Eyck. If she were the daughter of Beelitjen/Belitje Hercx and Coenradt Ten Eyck, then she would have named her first daughter, Belitje (which she did not do). Many of these published genealogies from the 1930s and prior era have errors. They really were poorly done. All should be reworked using church records (and not just those of the NY RDC), probate records and land records. In this instance I would suggest working out both the families of Maria Ten Eyck and Ouke Leffertsen a.k.a. Hagewout, and the families of Maria Ten Eyck and Jan Danemarke and Wessel Wesselszen, looking for naming patterns and baptism sponsors for children. Unfortunately no sponsor/witness was recorded for Aeltje, the daughter of Ouke Leffertsen. Actually the mother's name was not recorded either. But, until the Ten Eyck (and probably Wesselszen/Ten Broeck) family is reviewed from top to bottom, I'll stick with this placement, but with no guarantee that it is correct.
DeleteHi Chris. Catrina Bovy (1705) dau. of Matthys Bovy and Catherine Barrois - you show her married to Jacob Rettelief about 1728. In an article in NYGBR Vol. 80 # 2 Apr 1949, titled "The Radcliffe Family of New York State" page 71, the author shows the marriage to Jacob Radcliffe of Albany. I have so far not been able to find any other records to support the Radcliffe surname, but several internet sources including Stefan Bielinski at https://exhibitions.nysm.nysed.gov/albany/bios//r/jaradcliff1049.html show a number of name variations in the records for Jacobus Radcliff, including Rettelief. I am inclined to think Radcliffe is the correct surname but would welcome your thoughts if you disagree. ...Pete
ReplyDeleteI don't doubt that RETTELIEF and RADCLIFFE are the same. Remember that during the colonial period that (1) there was no standards for spelling or punctuation, and (2) clerks, ministers and whoever was assigned to recording deeds, church records, etc., spelled phonetically. No one wrote down their own name. They spoke it, and a scribe wrote down what he heard, or thought he heard, and did so phonetically. And so you'll see variations largely based on whether that scribes first language was English or Dutch or German, or even some lesser used dialects. There is a lot of wiggle room with these names.
DeleteI had a brief correspondence with Stefan Bielinski some years ago (early 2000s). He said that most of the work done on the websites he put up was conducted by his students. He didn't come across has having been too involved with the genealogies of these Albany families. I belief History was more of his line of interest.
I dont know who I am addressing this to...but I am a descendant of Adam Brouwer; my family fled to Quebec,Canada at the time of Revolution; My grandmother married a Reuben Allan Brewer (Skaife) and the family eventually ended up in Kooskia, Idaho. dixiweeks@yahoo.com
ReplyDeleteHey Chris , we recently found my greatx3 grandmother was Elizabeth Brower from Little Falls Passaic co. N.J. B.1840 father was Cornelius mother Sully/Sally Doramas , would you have any information on this line
ReplyDeleteAll I know is that a Cornelius Brower married a Sally Ann Doramus on 28 July 1838 in Essex Co., New Jersey. I have not attempted to trace the ancestries of either of the two. I have no other info.
DeleteA second follow up here. If you use Ancestry.com (subscription required)you should be able to find a bit more on Cornelius Brower and his wife Sarah/Sally Ann Doremus, and their children. From his record of death, which you can access there, his father's name was John Brower and he was born at Little Falls, NJ in abt. 1812. Some of these records may also be available on FamilySearch.org, which is free, although I have not checked there myself.
DeleteI have two lines of Brower from one family member.
ReplyDeleteCornelius Brower Hester Bodine had another son
William Brower 15 Nov 1735 Ndg, New York City, New York,
Wife Catherine Benson. I have only one document written in great grandfather handwriting that shows this. I can share this. I have been working on this for over 20 years. No family records survived the San Francisco earthquake in April of 1906. So I have spent the last 20 years reconstructing from verbal history thru Various Archives.
https://www.newspapers.com/image/27447101/
San Francisco Chronicle 19 Apr 1906
https://www.newspapers.com/image/80939597
21 Apr 1906 Fred Gee worked for the San Francisco Call and a couple other newspapers during his lifetime.
Cornelius Brouwer and Hester Bodine were married 23 December 1735, RDC NYC. This is AFTER the date of birth that you claim for William Brower (15 Nov 1735). I know of no son named William for Cornelius & Hester, nor do I know of any William Brower with the date of birth that you mention. I cannot access these newspaper images that you suggest, a subscription is needed and I have no interest in paying for one. If you info is from this Fred Gee whom you mention, I'd suggest that it is incorrect. I'd also suggest that you stick to researching the actual records available that are from the time the events (marriages, births, baptisms) actually occurred and not rely on later 19th or 20th century accounts, which very often are incorrect. Good luck.
DeleteCan you tell me where Burwell Brewer is mentioned in the Brunswick Co VA records? Laura Edwards, ledwards6@nc.rr.com
ReplyDeleteI do not know that Burwell Brewer is ever mentioned in any records in Brunswick Co., VA. Apparently there are mentions of him in Surry Co. and Wilkes Co., NC in the years between 1779 and 1782. I am NOT an active researcher of the Brewer families of the Southeast U.S. The persons to contact there are David Brewer and Foy Varner, two of the co-administrators of the Brewer DNA Project. They can be contacted through the Project's website - https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/brewer-dna/about/background
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